(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[13]KM[7.50]TM[2700]
PW[motoki]PB[pachi2]DT[2012-03-06]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[pachi2 [-\]: GTP Engine for pachi2 (black): Pachi Distributed version 9.99 (Satsugen-devel): If you believe you have won but I am still playing, please help me understand by capturing all dead stones. Anyone can send me 'winrate' in private chat to get my assessment of the position. Have a nice game!
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[kc]BL[2692.887]C[motoki [-\]: yoroshiku onegai shimasu: )
]
;W[kj]WL[2638.473]
;B[cc]BL[2614.046]
;W[cj]WL[2563.924]
;B[ji]BL[2561.59]
;W[jj]WL[2455.804]
;B[ii]BL[2495.878]
;W[ij]WL[2450.517]
;B[hi]BL[2457.683]
;W[lh]WL[2445.94]
;B[cg]BL[2380.863]C[gogonuts [5d\]: crucial next move 
jailson007: becouse?
mmueller [?\]: Fuego likes D10 next
gogonuts [5d\]: i thouht, maybe d11 :-)
]
;W[dc]WL[2279.233]C[gogonuts [5d\]: bingo
mmueller [?\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: crucial because it determines the structure of the middle game
]
;B[cd]BL[2325.886]C[jailson007: ok
gogonuts [5d\]: and its hard to find leverage at the top
]
;W[gc]WL[2241.811]
;B[hj]BL[2288.794]
;W[ek]WL[2231.871]C[mmueller [?\]: Fuego did not like H4, prefer E3 for black
jailson007: the middle is very importante this way?
]
;B[kg]BL[2251.568]
;W[kh]WL[2221.32]C[gogonuts [5d\]: pachi is giving 7.5 komi and w already has profit, so b will want to make it hard for w at the top
]
;B[jg]BL[2214.324]C[mmueller [?\]: j11
]
;W[ic]WL[2207.464]C[gogonuts [5d\]: exact hit :-)
mmueller [?\]: h3
]
;B[hk]BL[2176.923]
;W[jl]WL[2188.405]C[gogonuts [5d\]: pachi aiming at d3 or d3?
gogonuts [5d\]: first the top though
nhjkhu: 2525
gogonuts [5d\]: f12 possible?
]
;B[ck]BL[2106.917]
;W[dk]WL[2177.31]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i meant c3 or d3 :-)
gghideki [1k?\]: D3 is the vital point, pro said
nhjkhu: パチがんばれ
]
;B[cl]BL[2042.528]C[gogonuts [5d\]: really
]
;W[bj]WL[2158.656]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b4 seems very feasable
caribbean [2k\]: zen will play later?
hihumin [6k\]: (-。-)y-゜゜゜
gghideki [1k?\]: yes
mmueller [?\]: b looks lost here
gogonuts [5d\]: c2 looks like a mistake to me
mmueller [?\]: e11 
]
;B[dj]BL[1980.771]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b3?
pasky [-\]: ooh pachi is playing now? :)
Naphthalin [9k?\]: lol pasky
Naphthalin [9k?\]: which tournament is this?
]
;W[bl]WL[2043.506]C[caribbean [2k\]: exhibition game
Naphthalin [9k?\]: ah ok
]
;B[fc]BL[1944.779]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ok, b2 looks like better style than b3
caribbean [2k\]: why
gogonuts [5d\]: special corner property
gogonuts [5d\]: less tenacious b resistance
]
;W[fd]WL[1978.646]
;B[ec]BL[1889.093]C[gogonuts [5d\]: without the mess in the lower left pachi would be doing pretty well
caribbean [2k\]: very bad sequence there
caribbean [2k\]: i think the idea was to create aji, but...
]
;W[kd]WL[1887.436]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b would have been better off leaving the lower left alone
gghideki [1k?\]: pro said W is ahead even no komi
]
;B[ki]BL[1823.794]
;W[li]WL[1883.973]C[mmueller [?\]: B will not be praised for this push either
gogonuts [5d\]: so what hes really saying is that bs attack at the top fails :-)
mmueller [?\]: Fuego has 48% for Black
]
;B[gd]BL[1725.088]C[gghideki [1k?\]: pachi2: In 101403116 playouts at 64 machines, black G10 can win with 51.48% probability.
Naphthalin [9k?\]: 101mio playouts? wow
gogonuts [5d\]: the next crucial w move coming up :-)
Naphthalin [9k?\]: needs t1suji!
]
;W[jc]WL[1759.359]C[Arhiman [3d\]: knew it !
gogonuts [5d\]: went with honte
Arhiman [3d\]: motoki style
Naphthalin [9k?\]: which bot is strongest at 13x13?
pasky [-\]: likely the one that is strongest on all other board sizes ;)
pasky [-\]: 13x13 is not veyr popular bot development platform
Naphthalin [9k?\]: because midsize?
]
;B[ej]BL[1632.869]C[Naphthalin [9k?\]: stv is strongest at 9x9, isn't it?
]
;W[dl]WL[1746.935]C[pasky [-\]: yes, 9x9 is fine for proof of concept and then 19x19 for testing stuff for real
Arhiman [3d\]: I was wondering, do you guys only use monte-carlo search tree ? or do you add other fancy stuffs ?
Arhiman [3d\]: how does a bot even play joseki ?
]
;B[fk]BL[1553.879]
;W[fl]WL[1739.902]C[jlg [-\]: Arhiman, see http://pasky.or.cz/go/pachi-tr.pdf
Arhiman [3d\]: oh, thank you !!!
gogonuts [5d\]: thats like asking does your  car have 4 tires, or other fancy stuff too?
Arhiman [3d\]: :)
]
;B[dm]BL[1468.198]
;W[el]WL[1736.425]C[Arhiman [3d\]: this was more of a "what is there else" question
]
;B[gb]BL[1413.42]
;W[hc]WL[1729.311]C[Naphthalin [9k?\]: why d1 without g2 following it?
caribbean [2k\]: it doesnt work anyway
]
;B[he]BL[1346.693]C[Naphthalin [9k?\]: don't want to kill
Naphthalin [9k?\]: hm ok, cutting two living groups
gogonuts [5d\]: d1 is a typical bot glitch
caribbean [2k\]: plus g2 has f4 followin
gogonuts [5d\]: it doesnt influence the winrate enough to be rejected
gghideki [1k?\]: W 35+7.5, B: upto 40, pro said
gogonuts [5d\]: but win all non e2 answers :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: so komi becoming useful :-)
rsun [4d\]: gogo I played 20 games today
rsun [4d\]: I should disappear for a while
gogonuts [5d\]: good grief
gogonuts [5d\]: yes :-)
Naphthalin [9k?\]: @caribbean: g2 f4 f1 g3 e1 f3 f5
gogonuts [5d\]: before you go insane :-)
Arhiman [3d\]: e6 ?
rsun [4d\]: the end of the story is I beat aya 2d with 5h for the first time
rsun [4d\]: thus I call a quit 
gogonuts [5d\]: d5 works atleast, dont know if its enough
]
;W[je]WL[1539.222]C[gghideki [1k?\]: Pro prefered K9
gogonuts [5d\]: have a sleep
rsun [4d\]: why are so many people watching this game
gghideki [1k?\]: Good night, gogo
Arhiman [3d\]: because it's motoki
Naphthalin [9k?\]: good night rsun
gogonuts [5d\]: im staying
gogonuts [5d\]: i meant rsun
gogonuts [5d\]: late for me though :-)
rsun [4d\]: I'm staying too
gghideki [1k?\]: sorry
hihumin [6k\]: ぜったいききながらうってそうｗｗ
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Naphthalin [9k?\]: lol gogo, same for me
Naphthalin [9k?\]: surprisingly^^
]
;B[lg]BL[1275.869]C[rsun [4d\]: what is zetsutaikikinagala?
Arhiman [3d\]: try zettai
rsun [4d\]: oic
rsun [4d\]: zettai I know
Arhiman [3d\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: j8, nice and stupid?
]
;W[if]WL[1486.635]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yupp
rsun [4d\]: next, what about kikinagarauttesou?
mmueller [?\]: Fuego likes simple F4 for W
gogonuts [5d\]: really
gogonuts [5d\]: isnt d5 better in that area?
]
;B[fe]BL[1212.412]C[Arhiman [3d\]: kikinagara stands for "while I'm writing"
Arhiman [3d\]: listening*
rsun [4d\]: absolutely while I'm listening??
gghideki [1k?\]: pachi2: In 84285455 playouts at 64 machines, black F9 can win with 48.36% probability.
]
;W[hb]WL[1394.637]C[rsun [4d\]: so zen is next?
Arhiman [3d\]: I don't know what utte stands for, but the "-sou" termination means "it seems" or something like that
rsun [4d\]: your japanese is strong
]
;B[il]BL[1151.721]C[Arhiman [3d\]: my vocabulary is limited
gogonuts [5d\]: whats the move, m2?
]
;W[lk]WL[1291.817]
;B[kl]BL[1126.416]C[gghideki [1k?\]: M3 is the safest move :p
]
;W[jm]WL[1286.445]C[rsun [4d\]: hi hideki, we all miss zen
gogonuts [5d\]: L2 seems to show some bot unhappiness
Arhiman [3d\]: :)
gghideki [1k?\]: Zen will have a game in 35 min (scheduleed)
rsun [4d\]: I may not play any more until zen comes back
]
;B[ie]BL[1069.304]
;W[jf]WL[1282.795]C[gghideki [1k?\]: *scheduled (see http://www.jaist.ac.jp/jaistcup/2012/jc/eng/13roex-eng.html)
Arhiman [3d\]: why don't they make these events for european too :/
gghideki [1k?\]: Zen is so busy for domestic events this month
rsun [4d\]: yes
]
;B[ci]BL[1011.435]C[rsun [4d\]: which mean I should take a rest this month
]
;W[bi]WL[1277.573]C[jlg [-\]: pachi down to 46% now
hiroyukiww: (ﾟдﾟ(　人　)=3ﾌﾞｯ!
]
;B[lc]BL[983.002]
;W[md]WL[1261.587]C[gogonuts [5d\]: h12 should make sure that fails
gogonuts [5d\]: strong n10
gogonuts [5d\]: not 7d for nothing
Arhiman [3d\]: :)
]
;B[jb]BL[934.237]C[gogonuts [5d\]: m10 would have been much less safe
gghideki [1k?\]: I'm not sure the rest
rsun [4d\]: now w needs to play m10 
gogonuts [5d\]: come back to m10 now?
hiroyukiww: (ﾟдﾟ(　人　)=3ﾌﾞｯ!
Arhiman [3d\]: why ?
Arhiman [3d\]: m13 doesn't work here ?
gogonuts [5d\]: because with k12 you dont want n11 to become b sente
hiroyukiww: (´∀｀(　人　)=3ｽｯ
gghideki [1k?\]: M12 is the vital point, pro said
Arhiman [3d\]: oké
gogonuts [5d\]: m10 also is a tempo, but safer
hiroyukiww: ｷﾀ━━━━━━━━m9( ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━━━!!
jlg [-\]: pachi predicts W M10
rsun [4d\]: pro must be disappointed
gogonuts [5d\]: oops
gogonuts [5d\]: m10 not good enough
hiroyukiww: (´∀｀(　人　)=3ｽｯ
hiroyukiww: 顔
gogonuts [5d\]: because of b j13 sente
gogonuts [5d\]: so w had better find the pro move :-)
Arhiman [3d\]: oh he will
gogonuts [5d\]: getting cheated by a losing bot is so unpleasant :-)
]
;W[lb]WL[1045.766]C[gogonuts [5d\]: got it
]
;B[kb]BL[887]
;W[mc]WL[1039.722]C[jlg [-\]: pachi happy with W M12, jumped from 49% to 53%
]
;B[mb]BL[861.865]
;W[ma]WL[1035.634]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oh
gogonuts [5d\]: because of k13
Arhiman [3d\]: m13 first ?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
rsun [4d\]: so what if w started with m10
]
;B[cm]BL[815.41]C[pasky [-\]: pachi does not like what it sees down that variation, it seems
]
;W[bk]WL[1020.582]C[gogonuts [5d\]: then j13 h13 m12
mmueller [?\]: m13 
Arhiman [3d\]: did he make a bad face ?
rsun [4d\]: no, but that was before k12
pasky [-\]: he made c1 :)
Arhiman [3d\]: ^^
]
;B[la]BL[772.385]
;W[ka]WL[1015.698]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wasnt n11 the mistake?
gogonuts [5d\]: what about w k13 instead of n11?
HYamashita [3k\]: you can see live. http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv83326156 
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
]
;B[jk]BL[727.98]
;W[kk]WL[1009.707]
;B[ik]BL[689.162]
;W[ll]WL[1006.376]C[jlg [-\]: pasky there's a bug here. pachi had predicted L13 at 53% but when played went down to 47%
pasky [-\]: yeaaah, first all the ko threats
habumeijin: ｷﾀ━━━━━━━━( ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━━━!!
habumeijin: ｷﾀ━━━━━━━━( ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━━━!!
habumeijin: ｷﾀ━━━━━━━━( ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━━━!!
habumeijin: ｷﾀ━━━━━━━━( ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━━━!!
habumeijin: ｷﾀ━━━━━━━━( ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━━━!!
]
;B[lm]BL[650.925]
;W[km]WL[1002.327]C[mmueller [?\]: actually W is safe at the top with F12 cut
jlg [-\]: pachi desperate now 42%
pasky [-\]: hmm
]
;B[im]BL[617.372]
;W[mm]WL[998.949]C[pasky [-\]: i'll try to remember to take a look
hihumin [6k\]: 投了しないの？
gghideki [1k?\]: Pasky, you can resign...
]
;B[gm]BL[579.403]C[pasky [-\]: probably good idea, what do you think, jean-loup?
]
;W[gl]WL[947.756]C[jlg [-\]: down to 32% now, pachi will resign soon by itself
]
;B[bh]BL[543.156]
;W[di]WL[938.612]
;B[ei]BL[510.83]
;W[ch]WL[934.627]C[mukai [7k\]: (´･ω･`)
]
;B[dh]BL[479.648]C[Arhiman [3d\]: that was a nice game
]
;W[ci]WL[931.267]C[gogonuts [5d\]: not a good game for pachi
Arhiman [3d\]: still a nice one for us :)
]
;B[ja]BL[450.643]C[jlg [-\]: what did you expect? even game against a 7d !
gghideki [1k?\]: Pachi did fine, I think
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
]
;W[ld]WL[926.294]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lower left set it on course to lose
]
;B[id]BL[424.135]
;W[jd]WL[921.78]C[gghideki [1k?\]: Noguich French 7d is pretty strong
Arhiman [3d\]: third best French player
gogonuts [5d\]: well, i must say 13*13 is becoming viable
gghideki [1k?\]: Hoo
Arhiman [3d\]: but behind Fan Hui and Dai Junfu...
Arhiman [3d\]: that's quite stong
motoki [-\]: arigato gozaimashita :-)
jlg [-\]: Merci pour la partie Motoki !
Arhiman [3d\]: ^^
pasky [-\]: thansk for the game!
gghideki [1k?\]: Cong, Noguch-san
waaaaggg: otsukare
Arhiman [3d\]: même à cette heure...
hihumin [6k\]: ｇｇ
mukai [7k\]: (´･ω･`)gg
sekine3: 乙
Arhiman [3d\]: who's playing Zen ?
gogonuts [5d\]: will zen play too?
Arhiman [3d\]: they said in 35 minutes
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
Arhiman [3d\]: it was like 15 minutes ago
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